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Avevo promesso questo post alla Eli. Sono alcune delle reazioni post IDO dei non shippers.
Non ridete troppo!


You know why Sawyer-Kate won't work back at the beach?Because Pickett wont be there to beat up or threaten Sawyer every minute to get Kate to feel something for him because that's the only way Kate will.Unless of course Pickett goes back to the beach with them,then we can see scenes like this:
Sawyer:So ahh Freckles,you want to move into my tent?
Kate:I don't know Sawyer,I think we should just be friends.
(Pickett runs over and starts beating up Sawyer)
Pickett: Do you want to move in with him!!
Kate: What?
(Pickett punches Sawyer agian)
Pickett: Do you want to move in with this man!!
Kate: Oh geeze not this again.
(Pickett keeps punching Sawyer)
Pickett: DO YOU WANT TO MOVE IN TO THIS MANS TENT!
Kate: Oh for crying out loud,fine fine,I'll move into his stupid tent geeze.
Later.
Sawyer:So Freckles,when Picket was beating on me earlier,and you said you would move in with me,did you really mean it?Huh huh did ya did ya?!
Kate:I wish I was on Heroes.
(Kate walks away)
END SCENE.

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The writers in these six episodes used the characters for specific purposes.
Kate-Sawyer for showing sex,Jack naturally to save them to balance the damage (cause the viewers were just so frustrated at the moment for all the dumbness the characters showed, we waited for so long for a character to show intelligence, that was the only way to save the show)
Look at the events happened in the 6 episodes
Capture of triangle (how convenient)
Kate and Sawyer put in cages together (do they question why?)
Sun kills Colleen after failing plan on the losties side AGAIN
Pickett routes all his anger to Sawyer (WHY???)
We have "I love him" scene Pickett treathens Sawyer life (??????????)
Kate & Sawyer have cage sex (BINGO)
Kate and Sawyer had pretty long screen time in the 6 episode arc but the writers chose them a story leading to sex with an incredibly lame supporting story instead of writing a more challenging solid story where we could see all three characters acting rationally and intelligently with exactly the same result.
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I just don’t understand how they arrived at the ‘creative decision’ to have Kate have sex with Sawyer in a bear cage. No matter what angle I look at it from, I just can’t find a way of justifying it. Plot-wise, it makes no sense. Character-wise, it makes no sense. This is the girl who claimed she’d never had a one-night stand. This is the girl who rolled her eyes at Sawyer’s sexual ‘needs’ and commented “Not everyone is like you, Sawyer”. This is the girl who sardonically rebuffed every advance and suggestion Sawyer has ever made towards her. This is the girl who has been making eyes at another guy the whole time she has been on the island. And now suddenly, out of overflowing pity and worry, she initiates sex with Sawyer. Right. Theme-wise, it makes no sense. This was a moral setback for the show, because despite the pretty violin music, the grim reality of the situation is that these two characters are shown having unprotected sex in the open in a dirty polar bear cage while being taped by their kidnappers. Very uncool. Not to mention the fact that one of these two also had unprotected alfresco sex with another character less than two weeks ago. We were also repeatedly informed that this same male character has a history of STDs. If the writers wanted the audience to accept Kate's decision to have sex with Sawyer, they could at least have made it abundantly clear that Kate loves the guy. Instead, they go to great lengths to force a “confession” out of her only to have her retract it- why? I’m completely stumped.
The fact that the two main characters took almost two years to even share a kiss really fooled me into thinking that this was not your average sexed-up tv show. Yet in the space of six episodes, the writers have managed to undermine all that. This was not what I expected from LOST.

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Infact, after watching 'I Do', I was left wondering if the writers intended to completely revise their ethical code. Because here's what I gathered.
How to get your girl, according to the writers of LOST:
1) Forget making her feel special and different from every other woman in the world. According to the writers of LOST, what you need to be doing is telling her she is exactly like all the women you’ve ever been with (especially if this includes prostitutes, widows and married women used to conning their husbands). “I know your type…yeah, I’ve been with girls like you” (Pilot 2) should do the trick.
2) Adopt a cave man mindset. Casually flash her an eyeful of you-know-what as you are emerging from your ablutions (CM). No better way to a woman’s heart than parading your virility, especially when your rival is a fool who treads the ‘genteel’ path. Guava seeds? Eh? Real men don’t waste time dallying, they cut right to the chase, you fool.
3) Leer at her at every given opportunity. Especially when she is forced into a revealing dress and made to bend over while breaking rocks (GB), and asked to strip in full view of everyone (EMFH).
4) Make suggestive remarks that imply that she wants nothing better in the world than to sleep with you. “How about you come a little closer and warm me up?” (CM) should work. Or smile salaciously as someone else proposes she take her dress off (GB). Think positive reinforcement.
5) Reveal her biggest, most dangerous secret to everyone you know (BTR). Alienating her from the group might very well drive her into your arms.
6) Con her. Preferably multiple times. Use her desire to help a suffering girl (CM), her feelings for someone else (TLC), whatever, it doesn’t matter. So long as you make her look like an utter fool afterwards.
7) Get yourself into life-threatening situations (COL, EMFH, ID). Nothing like pity to jolt her hormones.
P.S- It would help if you remind her of an emotionally/sexually abusive relative. That one would really seal the deal.
I am not questioning how well suited Kate and Sawyer are to each other here (that is a shipper debate), but merely why the writers chose to go about the 'consummation' scene in the least satisfactory way possible. Surely by the time they did the first episode of this season they knew what they had planned for these two characters, so I don't understand why they didn't make Kate more receptive to Sawyer and less ambiguous about her feelings for him. But now that they did what they did, I hope they intend to make Kate stick to her choice because I think most viewers are sick to death of this whole triangle stuff by now.
I am very disappointed with 'I Do', on every level, and I'm seriously wondering whether things could possibly pick up from here next season. I don't want to come back to more of this soap-opera quality stuff...

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Kate's a pretty unsympathetic character to start out with, but Evie's magic really brought out a lot of support from the audience. But after this season ..quiet frankly I'm waiting for the STD to kick in and she joins the big island in the sky. Which sucks, because I loved Kate, but now she has been centric to the worst episode ever.
And please, SHOOT SAWYER. What kind of kind does the dirty with Ana days ago, and doesn't even tell the women he supposedly loves. After all the horrible things he has done, I wanted to see the gun get fired.

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I too think the sex scene was ridiculous. Not because I'd rather have her with Jack (although I would, considering that she always seemed to have deeper feelings for him instead of the mostly sexual thing with Sawyer) but more so because of the fear factor and the pervo factor. The idea that Ben or anyone could have been watching just makes me sick. And it did come off more like a pity/fear intimacy rather than any admission of true feelings. Heck, even though I actually believe Sawyer adores Kate, his "I love you too" statement came off like he'd rather be eating slugs than say those words. Maybe he was just upset that she wouldn't say the words to him, I dunno, but it just furthered my dislike of the entire scene.

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First time posting here and I'm sad that it has to be in this thread.
I didn't find Kate's background story interesting at all. I was bored with it and felt it was pointless.
I'm not a shipper and I'm not interested in the love triangle, but, I can understand why Sawyer/Kate slept together because to me it wasn't a mark of their love for each other, to was more comfort sex with both of them thinking Sawyer was going to die. I did however feel the scene was too much and over the top as well as the rest of the forced Sawyer/Kate relationship scenes this season. Sawyer is acting too "lovey-dovey" and it doesn't fit into his character at all - I miss the old Sawyer! I wouldn't want to see her with Jack either however, if Jack was to be with anyone I'd rather see him with Juliet.
The only thing I liked about the episode was Jack and he is the reason I will continue to watch the show in February

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I wasnt convinced about the last two episodes but this one has really pushed it over the edge for me. theres about a hundred points people have made in this thread that i agree with.
its just got so overblown and ridiculous (especially that Kate/Sawyer soft-core scene), nothing makes any logical sense any more, and overall the show just feels so dumbed down - wow action, romance, all the characters reduced to single-celled thinking.
all the great stuff they set up in the first couple of epsiodes has vanished.

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la mia preferita:

Wow.What an utter catastrophe. Everyone knows Kate is no Mary Poppins, but at least she had some honor, and some dignity. I'm by no means a shipper, but all the nonsense with Sawyer came out of the clear blue sky. Sex in a cage, while being taped, with a guy who has dumped all over her for two seasons? Not only has the show thrown the viewers under a bus, they've thrown Kate under it too

bwahahaahh!
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stop ragging on Sawyer and Kate's roll in dried up bear poop! They were making love, you Philistines! Do you think he's washed at all since he's hit Ana?

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Kate simply climbs out of her cage, easily knocks the lock off of Sawyer's cage with a few smacks of a rock and then the idiots choose to get it on and hang out in the cage.
THAT IS JUST EMBARRASING.
Why not run and try to get away? It's a life and death situation; try something! Why don't they go hide out in the jungle and put together a couple of make-shift slingshots? Afterall, that seems to be The Others kryptonite! They could take over the whole island if only they had a couple slingshots. EMBARRASING!

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If, overall, we wanted ridiculous love story triangles backed with convoluted and unbelievable characters whose story IS trapped in a bloody snow-globe, we would be watching any number of those silly never-ending soap operas that have plagued tv's afternoon time slot.

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This is the worst episode they could have come with, it almost looks as if they had intentionally written a Lost gag. Cheesy dialogue, unnecesary scenes -and I usually have no problems with sex scenes, this just was stupid. If they want to tell the audience "hey, see, Kate chooses Sawyer", then it didn't even work, there are people still saying otherwise (and I concede they can cause that last sequence was too ambivalent)

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Long time lurker, first time poster, HUGE fan of the show. the awkwardness of Skate ...and I've been a Kate/Sawyer 'shipper since season one and actually *enjoy* the romantic angles on some of the stories--I just don't feel that it needs a whole episode, frankly, and think that they handled it in a way that did no justice to any of the characters involved.

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they destroyed kate's character,and that is kind of sad. Kate seems so harmless and such an emotional (and perpetually crying) mess now. Throw in the gratuitous sex scene and the dress, and you do kind of have to wonder if this show is sexist.

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Not only was the Sawyer/Kate thing unneccessary, and as other people have said embarrassingly stupid and unreal, but Kate's strong character has turned into this mushy/wimpy little nothing. Remember the old strong Kate in her flashbacks and on the island, but now wimpy.

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Kate and Sawyer getting naked and having sex in an outdoor cage in full view of dozens of people that want to kill them...that is completely indefensible.

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This episode actually had me and my husband cheering since Jack finally got the upperhand. But the rest of the episode was crap. Forcing the K/S ship down my throat was enough to run me off. All the others had to do was threaten to kill Kate and Sawyer or just Kate in order to get Jack to operate on Ben. But NO. That would mess up the shipper story. Ugh!! I'm not that intelligent but this just really insulted what little intelligence I have. I truly hope that this show sinks in the spring. It's what they deserve. And by the way, my husband said that Sawyer and Kate deserve each other. Boy, is he right

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Thank God at least we see Jack using his brain a bit. And what about our master of longcons and running criminal... Instead of showing some intelligence and questioning their surroundings, they go pathetic and have “Cage sex” (Cages that are so secure that you can get out or open in a second)... And Jack sees them together at the monitor. !!!! That’s the most unimaginative and the lowest way to use a triangle (The writers may say “we didnt, the Others did!!) . They have just killed Kate and Sawyer characters in these 6 episodes, their storyline in the show now being completely triangle related. I really felt sorry for the actors playing the angles. I’ve never thought that I would see such scenes in Lost.

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Kate's been turned into a prostitute this season, nothing more. Put her in a dress, force her to bend over so Sawyer can get an eyeful, change in the cage....for that matter...have sex with the STD King in the cage for everyone to see! And I love Sawyer, but come on....sweet, cuddling Sawyer? Ewwwww. If I wanted to watch a bad soap opera, I'd turn on Passions.

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Sawyer's not wanting to try to escape and at least look for Jack and try to get out of there is ridiculous. Sawyer and Kate having sex in broad daylight in an open cage with who knows how many people watching them on a monitor is just disgusting, not romantic.

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I'm just hoping they don't put us through another tragic melodramatic love scene like that again. I was sinking into my seat when that was on... I mean, come on... it felt so contrived. Here's hoping she finds out about Ana, ditches Sawyer and down goes the triangle for good.

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I'm no Jater or Skater, and I stand by that. I've said it from day one, I don't care about niether.it's ok for her to pick sawyer,but not like this. Days ago she was rolling her eyes at him and his sexist comments, weeks ago she saw him con her, expose her, abuse and almost kill an innocent boar infront of her. Now she's getting all naked for him! Frued would go crazy with all the Wayne connections. But I don't get it, and I don't 'get' Kate for choosing him this way. I found it disrepectful to her character. Season one Kate wouldn't pull that crap.My reaction: What the hell, Kate?!?
Bottom line: Shoot Sawyer, and then turn the gun on Kate. At the moment I don't care much for either.

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Sawyer's whole - there's nowhere to run contention - what was that? It's a good sized island - take off - hide - plan - think it through OUTSIDE THE CAGE. It's almost like someone whispered to him - stay in the cage at all costs because Kate will come over and "keep you company." Red Rover, Red Rover - let Kate come over.

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Wow. There's 40 minutes of my life I'm never getting back.the only character not coming off like a soaps actor is Jack, the actor whose previous credits largely consist of soap opera TV. When he found Sawyer and Kate.... cuddling.... oh, god... I just threw up in my mouth ... Anyway, when I saw that scene I actually appreciated Matthew Fox's look of disdain that he gave into the wall of monitors because it summed up my feelings for this horrific episode and the series in general.

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Evie and Josh seemed very against Skate and their acting was kind of cringeworthy as a result (many people have noticed), and the over hyped 'gonna blow your mind' ending was ... well ... nothing TOO special.Plus, I kind of hated Kate a little bit for doing that to Jack, I mean he carried her on his freaking back to save her life and she stared into his eyes in her last moments of freedom ... And we are meant to swallow that she'd have sex with Sawyer, where is her dignity? "He understands me!" Puh-leese, after the way he treated her I felt kind of ill watching it. And Skate was suppose to be shocking? Uh, we've known since summer when you released a promo of them kissing!

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And obviously whatever STD Sawyer gave Kate inhibits higher brain function, since they stayed in the bloody cage all night with the door open even though Sawyer was supposed to be killed the next morning. Awesome!

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And is it just me, or did the scenes between Kate and Sawyer seem really forced? I know their scenes together usually flow well, but none of the scenes tonight were at all natural. The chemistry just seemed way off, like the actors knew what they were doing was beyond cringe-worthy.

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I was soooooo hoping that the moronic sex scene would lead to both Kate and Sawyer being offed by the Others. And Sawyer used to be my favorite character.
Flushhhhhhhh

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Okay I never post, but I hated this episode so much I just had to share my hatred.The entire Sawyer/Kate romance was spoiled on the previews a long time ago. I don't know if I can handle anymore of this nonsense.

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I usually enjoy Sawyer/Kate scenes, but this one was definitely "non chemical", if you get my drift.---"I Do"? More like "I don't".

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Kate climbs out of her cage and busts the lock off of Sawyer's cage with a few smacks? Ridiculous. Kate and Sawyer start kissing and getting it on? Am I the only one who felt embarrased and actually laughed at this scene?

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The sex scene had about as much romance as an autopsy

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e quella che ormai è diventata leggenda:

If sex in a cage whilst captive is something that should be entertaining - the writers have a distorted notion of captivating tv. I couldnt have been more disturbed if I had run into Michael Jackson on a dark night. The moral, ethical, health issues it throws up are numerous. Not to mention character development???? Incongruities???? Implausibility????